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How did you spend that time in Scotland?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n My day would start off playing golf and then going to have lunch, meeting the secretary and learning about the history of the club or the course. In the afternoon, I would go take notes. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n I have these notebooks still in my office as this was well before computers or iPads. I would hand-draw notes of golf holes, of what I liked and what I saw, and what I thought was interesting. It was basically the catalogue for when I started my own company, and we were able to do original golf courses. It became what I referred to.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n When I say it is the foundation for what I believe in golf course architecture, it is first and foremost that golf courses were found instead of created. The architects had great land to work with \u2013 it was never easy but they had a good landscape to work with.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Ultimately what they did was they found the golf holes, and they allowed the natural features to dictate the strategy. They put the bunkers in the natural upslopes and they utilised the grounds. The obscured visibility \u2013 where you play through a landscape, and in it and over it \u2013 has always been something that impacts me.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n I\u2019ve been fortunate enough to work with sites that have good natural character and to exhaust those natural opportunities. The old designers exhausted every possible character, and they did it in such creative and unique ways.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n The other thing about Scottish golf is there is never any mention of fairness. Golf is not fair, and architecture shouldn\u2019t be, but what has happened, and primarily the influence has been my own country, is that architecture has been watered down to a certain degree.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n People are always seeking something fair, but when you go to places like Prestwick or North Berwick, you will see things that you would never expect. Those are the courses that I always reference because they push the boundaries of golf architecture. If we were to design a golf hole like the 13th at North Berwick, we would put a wall in front of the green.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n What was the first Scottish course that you saw?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n The Old Course. We were students and we caught a charter jet that landed at Stansted, because we couldn\u2019t afford to fly to Heathrow. We rented a car and we drove all the way to St Andrews. It was August so it was still light and we parked the car and walked down, saw the starter, and asked him how I get on the golf course. He looked at me and asked me, as a student, 'Where are your clubs?' I said, 'Well, they are in the car. He told me to go and get them, and he let me just go out there and play. It was just that introduction to walk out onto the 1st tee and, without time to really think, somebody is saying, \u2018On you go.\u2019<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Can you remember your initial thoughts \u2013 was it what you were expecting?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Obviously we had seen photos of it, but I think the scale of the 1st and 18th fairways, and the flatness of it, and the vastness of how it comes out of the town was a surprise. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n I knew how it was set up but I did not understand the scale and perspective of it. I think that is still the most nerve-wracking tee shot in golf except for maybe the 1st tee at Merion where people are eating lunch while you are teeing off. With all the history and the clubhouse right behind you, and people milling about with over 100 yards to hit into, it is still nerve-wracking.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n As I got into the golf course, it started to feel like more of what I was expecting from the 2nd green on.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n What are your views on The Old Course now? It is not necessarily typical of links golf in Scotland...<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n No, and one of the great things about links golf in Scotland is that there are different sizes, shapes and forms. It is one of those things with those lower, more rumply dunes you see \u2013 that\u2019s something we did at Castle Stuart with Mark Parsinen. We went down to the Old Course and we studied and we looked \u2013 the Old Course and Dornoch were the two most significant influences on what we did. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Maybe the old boys who live out there in St Andrews and who have played there their whole lives can unlock a lot of the mysteries but that is one of the great things of the old courses. They never play the same way again based on conditions and bounce and rolls and so on.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n I was, for a while, a member of the New Club and also the St Andrews Club and played in a few competitions with people who knew the course and really understand how to play. It was really eye-opening because I thought that I knew it but I had no clue.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Architects like you, Doak, Phillips, and Coore & Crenshaw are at the forefront of a modern type of architecture that makes Championship courses extremely playable. Can you explain where that idea came from?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n That\u2019s the magic sauce. That\u2019s what every golf architect is looking for. How do you make a golf course playable for a 24-handicap and yet challenging for a scratch golfer or professional? <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n I think the early architects talked a lot about it and the key is width \u2013 you just have to have room to play golf. You need to provide width for the average golfer to be able to move the ball around the golf course and then you need to be able to create angles that are relevant so that the width isn\u2019t just 60 yards wide \u2013 for a good player it\u2019s 25 yards wide as they need to get to the proper side of the fairway. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n You need to provide a level of precision to just go out and play the golf course, literally just go play and have fun that is fairly low. But the level of precision required to score well is high. Augusta National is the perfect example of that: wide fairways, and greens that are very compartmentalised, so you need to get the right angle to access the hole location. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Once you get on the greens, you have got to be in the right corner of the greens. Mackenzie and Jones accomplished it there and all the earliest golf architects talked about it, but it can\u2019t be done without providing enough room to actually play golf. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n That\u2019s one of the things that we talked a lot about at Castle Stuart, especially when you incorporate the wind into the design which is obviously going to blow in Scotland. It becomes an even more critical factor.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n If you were compiling your own list of Scottish golf courses, which ones would be at the top?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n The Old Course would be top of the list. If logistics are not a question, I would play North Berwick and Muirfield as a great day. I would play Prestwick and Western Gailes as a great day. I would play Royal Aberdeen and Cruden Bay in a day. And then I would play Castle Stuart and Dornoch as a day. That would cover, in my mind, my favourite golf courses.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n What about courses that you haven\u2019t played yet?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n I\u2019ve been fortunate to see almost everything that I would want to see. I haven\u2019t been to Askernish and I\u2019d love to because I\u2019ve heard great things about it.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Which courses would provide lovely breaks between some of the big-ticket venues?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n In Fife, Elie is one of my favourite places in the world to play golf. I think it\u2019s a wonderful golf course. I think it\u2019s great fun. I think Lossiemouth up in the north is another wonderful sort of slower, low-down-feeling golf course. Luffness New, near Muirfield, is another one of those quiet golf courses that\u2019s good fun to get on and play.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n